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mufti-e-azam
07-20-2008, 02:59 PM
sahih bukhari ki hadees hai k Rasool Allah :SAW: ne hazrat ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker k 3 baar fermaya yahen fitna hai..yahen se fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga...khan001,mohsin iqbal aur dosray users se mein request kerta hoon k woh iss topic per aa ker iss sahih hadees k baray mein bataein...

rushed
07-20-2008, 07:30 PM
Asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,

mufti-e-azam
07-21-2008, 05:37 AM
janab aap ne koi sahi tareeka se jawab nahi diya...maa hona aur baat hai fitna hona aur baat hai...aur uss maa ko fitna mein ne nahi kaha balkeh uss hasti ne kaha hai jis ki wajah se uss ko izzat mili thi..aur aap ko pata bhi hai k yeh maa bunanay ki zaroorat kiun paish aaye ?? woh aap k talha sahab fermatay thay k jab Rasool Allah :SAW: ki wafat ho jaye gi to mein ayesha se shaadi ker loon ga jisay sun ker Nabi Paak ko dukh hua k meray ashaab meray mernay ki duaein aur wait ker rahay hain to tab yeh ayat utari...agar aap ko zaroorat mehsoos hui to Quran ki tafseer ka scan page mang lena jis mein shaan e nazool mojood hai aap ki book mein...aur aap ne shayed maa k baray mein Surah Tahreem ki ayat nahi perhi Quran mein jis mein Allah ne fermaya hai k tum dono k dil phir chukay hain matlab tum dono munafiq ho gaye ho...aur janab ab hum wapas aatay hain iss hadees ki teraf to janab aap aik baar phir hadees ko ghoar se perhein...aik to iss hadees mein ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara kiya gaya aur kaha gaya hai yahen...agar iraq ki teraf ishara kiya jata to lafz wahan use hota aur kaha jata k wahen se fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga...aur dosra etiraz aap ka yeh tha k wahan Rasool Allah :SAW: khud bhi rehtay thay ya woh unn ka apna ghar tha...to janab unn k rehnay se bhi koi baat change nahi hoti...Khana Kaaba Allah ka ghar hai lakin kal wahin pathar k buat rahay to uss waqt koi Khana Kaaba ki teraf ishara ker k kehta k yahan jhootay khuda hain yahan buaton ki pooja hoti hai to iss ka matlab yeh hai k Allah ka ghar woh nahi raha ?? ya Allah bhi pathar ka buat hai Naozbillah ?? to janab kisi k kharab honay se dosray ko koi farq nahi perta kiun k her koi apnay amal ka zimadar hai na k dosray ka...

mufti-e-azam
07-21-2008, 05:56 AM
to janab aap k 2 etiraz to khatam ho gaye 1 k Rasool Allah :SAW: k ghar mein fitna kaisay ho sakta hai..kiun nahi ho sakta jab Allah k ghar mein buaton ka fitna ho sakta hai...aur aap ne iraq ki baat ki to hadees se lafz yahen use hua hai na k wahen matlab baat nazdeek ki ho rahi hai na k doar ki..chalein ab mein aap ko aik aur baat dikhata hoon jis se aap ki poori post jhooti sabit ho jaye gi..janab yeh sahih bukhari ki aik aur hadees hai jis mein yamen se aik wafd aaya to Rasool Allah :SAW: ne fermaya emaan yamen mein hai aur fitna idhar se hai..idhar se hi fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga...to janab ab to aap ki sari post ghalat sabit ho gi...ab mazeed kuch kehna chahein ge aap ??

rushed
07-22-2008, 10:26 AM
Asslamoalikum 2 all muslims,

Main iss hadees ki tafseel aur tashreeh bian ker chukka hoon. Aik daffa phir chand points main kuch baten arz kerna chahta hoon:

1) Aap ne sahih Bukhari ki jo hadees Syeda Ayesha R.A. per aitraaz k liye bian ki hai uss ka koi taluq Syeda Ayesha se banta hi nahin. Uss hadees main Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha ka to naam tak nahin lia. Woh lafz Ibn-e-Umer R.A k hain k Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha k gher ki taraf ishara kia. Abb yehi Ibn-e-Umer R.A. khud iss baat ki wazahet ker chukke hain k Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf ishara mashriq ki taraf ishara tha aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq.

2) Ager aap ki baat ko bil'ferz maan bhi lia jae k ishara Syeda Ayesh k gher ki taraf tha to bhi iss main Syeda Ayesha R.A. ka (naooz'billah) fitna hona hergiz nahin nikalta. kissi k gher main fitna hona aur baat hai aur uss person ka fitna hona aur baat hai (jaisa k aap ne kaha k maa hona aur baat hai fitna hona aur baat hai, maaz'Allah). Kion'k gher siref Syeda Ayesha R.A ka to nahin khud Nabi s.a.w. ka bhi hai. Iss k elawa bhi bohat se log uss gher main aane jaane wale mojood the. Kia khayal hai ager koi unn main se kissi ko fitna qarar de de. Yaad rahe yeh siref ilzaami jawab hai. hamare nazdeek ishare wali hadees ka taluq kissi bhi tarah se Syeda Ayesh R.A. ya Nabi s.a.w. k gher se hergiz nahin.

3) Jis Ayesha R.A. ki pakeezgi per khud Allah ne gawahi di ho, Jis k motaliq Allah k Nabi s.a.w. ne apni piari beti Syeda Fatima R.A. se kaha ho k kia tu uss se mohabbat nahin kerti jis se main mohabbat kerta hoon (yani Ayesha R.A.) aur Syeda Fatima R.A. ne bhi iss mohabbat ka iqrar kia ho (Sahih Bukhari:2581). Jis ke paas Allah k Nabi s.a.w. ne aakhri waqat tak rehna pasand kia ho. Jis Syeda Ayesha R.A ko farishton k serdaar Jibra'eel A.S. tak salam kerte hon (Sahih Bukhari:3768) Uss k motaliq toheen amez kalmaat ka kehna siref unhin ki nahin Nabi s.a.w. ki bhi tohaeen hai. Aap s.a.w. ke Ahlebait ki toheen hai. Nabi s.a.w. ke deen ki toheen hain. Jo hamesha se Yahood aur Yahood k perokaron ka maqsad raha hai.

4) Bait-Ullah main buton ki misaal bhi khoob di aap ne. Bait-Ullah k buton ko khud Allah k Rasool sa.w. ne apne haathon se tora tha aur unn ka khaatma ker dia tha. Yeh Naooz/billah kaisa ftna hai k Nabi s.a.w. jis se muhabbat ki gawahi de rahe hain. Jis ko Jibra'eel A.S. Salam Arz ker rahe hain. Jis ki pakeezgi per Quran gawah ban raha hai. Jis se Nabi s.a.w. ki mohabbat ka yeh aalim hai k aakhri waqt main bhi uss ki god main rahe aur unn se juda hona aik lamhe k liye bhi pasand na kia. Syeda Ayesha R.A ki fazeelat k liye aur koi baat na bhi hoti to siref yehi aakhri baat kaafi hai. :RA: Iss k khilaaf koi jo merzi bolta rahe uss ka apna naama amaal hi siah ho ga. Chaand per thookne se thook chaand per nahin apne moon per hi girta hai.

4) Iss k elawa aap ne Syeda Ayesha aur Syeda Hafsa R.A. per Munafiq hone ka jo buhtaan baandha hai uss main Allah aap ko poora poora badla de. (Soora Tehreem wala waqia sab k saamne hai k uss ka taluq mahez bivion ki apas main baahmi raqabat ka jazba tha jo fitri hai aur issi per Allah ne inn ko tanbeeh ki k tumhare dil aik galti per jhuke hain lahaza toba ker lo. Siref itni si baat ko munafiqat kehna intaha darje ki gustakhi hai.)
Aap se mujhe kuch nahin kehna. Siref baaqi logon se kehna chahoon ga k dekh lo inn logon ki zubanen kis qader daraz hai aur inn logon k dilon main Ahle-Bait, Ashaab-e-Rasool s.a.w. k motaliq kis qader bughez bhera hai.

Aakhir main aik baat mazeed yeh kehna chahoon ga k Syeda Ayesha R.A. ko tum logon ka manana ya na manana koi maani nahin rakhta jo log mojooda Quran ko hi na maante hon. Jin logon k nazdeek Imamon ka rutba Anbiya se afzal ho unn se iss baat ki umeed rakhna k Sahaba Ikram k moqam ko woh sahih maan lain sire se galat hai.
Lahaza aap se bhi guzarish hai k aap ko ager ache andaaz se guftagoo kerni hai to pehle bataie k mojooda Quran k motaliq aap ka kia aqeeda hai? Aur jo iss Quran ko tehreef'shuda mane uss ka hukam kia hai?

Umeed hai baat ko phelane ki bajae asooli baat kerte hue pehle iss sawal ka jawab anayet karen ge. Kion'k zahiiq hai koi buniad to honi chahiye jis per hamare aur aap k dermian ikhtilaaf ka faisla ho sake.

mufti-e-azam
07-22-2008, 11:33 AM
Asslamoalikum 2 all muslims,

Main iss hadees ki tafseel aur tashreeh bian ker chukka hoon. Aik daffa phir chand points main kuch baten arz kerna chahta hoon:

1) Aap ne sahih Bukhari ki jo hadees Syeda Ayesha R.A. per aitraaz k liye bian ki hai uss ka koi taluq Syeda Ayesha se banta hi nahin. Uss hadees main Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha ka to naam tak nahin lia. Woh lafz Ibn-e-Umer R.A k hain k Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha k gher ki taraf ishara kia. Abb yehi Ibn-e-Umer R.A. khud iss baat ki wazahet ker chukke hain k Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf ishara mashriq ki taraf ishara tha aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq.
janab aap ne meri wazahat bhi perhi nahi shayed...aap MashAllah se school,college to gaye hi hon ge aur grammer bhi perhi ho gi...to janab urdu grammer mein nazdeek ki teraf ishara kerna ho to yahan use kiya jata hai aur doar ki teraf ishara kerna ho to wahan lafz use kiya jata hai..issi terha english mein here and there use kiya jata hai...ab hum dekhtay hain k yahan nazdeek k liye ishara kiya gaya hai ya doar k liye...to janab Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya yahen hai fitna..yahen se fitna nikalay ga..agar to doar yeni iraq ki baat hoti to phir kehtay wahen hai fitna..wahen se fitna nikalay ga...to yeh baat to aap ki koi sahi nahi maloom hoti kiun k aap ne bohat hi kamzor misaal di hai..aur hum ne kab kaha k naam liya ?? lakin janab uss ghar ki teraf ishara to kiya k nahi kiya ??
2) Ager aap ki baat ko bil'ferz maan bhi lia jae k ishara Syeda Ayesh k gher ki taraf tha to bhi iss main Syeda Ayesha R.A. ka (naooz'billah) fitna hona hergiz nahin nikalta. kissi k gher main fitna hona aur baat hai aur uss person ka fitna hona aur baat hai (jaisa k aap ne kaha k maa hona aur baat hai fitna hona aur baat hai, maaz'Allah). Kion'k gher siref Syeda Ayesha R.A ka to nahin khud Nabi s.a.w. ka bhi hai. Iss k elawa bhi bohat se log uss gher main aane jaane wale mojood the. Kia khayal hai ager koi unn main se kissi ko fitna qarar de de. Yaad rahe yeh siref ilzaami jawab hai. hamare nazdeek ishare wali hadees ka taluq kissi bhi tarah se Syeda Ayesh R.A. ya Nabi s.a.w. k gher se hergiz nahin.
janab uss ghar mein rehtay kon thay ?? Rasool Allah saww aur ayesha..right ?? ab aap k ghar mein daily koi mehmaan atay hon ya farz karein ko iteacher daily aata ho ap ko perhanay aap k ghar to kiya hum yeh kahein ge k yeh ghar uss teacher ka hai ?? nahi balkeh jo rehtay hon ge wohi uss ghar k maalik hon ge aur jab bhi uss ghar ki ya uss ghar k rehnay walay ki baat ki jaye gi woh yaqeenun aap ya aap ki family hi ki baat ho gi...ussi terha uss ghar mein sirf 2 loag rehtay thay Rasool Allah saww aur ayesha..ab Rasool Allah saww ghar se bahir thay aur khud keh rahay thay k yahen hai fitna...iss ka amtlab jab aap ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker rahay thay to woh fitna ghar mein hi mojood tha aur uss waqt Rasool Allah saww to ghar se bahir thay..dosri baat mein ne jo 2nd hadees quote ki thi uss se saaf pata chalta hai k fitna wahin tha jis city mein aap Rasool Allah saww rehtay thay yeni madina mein na k iraq ya kisi aur doar k ilaqa mein kiun k jab aap yamen ka naam le ker keh rahay thay to phir agar iraq ki teraf fitna ki baat kertay to zaroor naam letay magar unhon ne kaha yahan fitna hai...yeh baat bhi aap ki kamzor nikali rushed sahab...

3) Jis Ayesha R.A. ki pakeezgi per khud Allah ne gawahi di ho, Jis k motaliq Allah k Nabi s.a.w. ne apni piari beti Syeda Fatima R.A. se kaha ho k kia tu uss se mohabbat nahin kerti jis se main mohabbat kerta hoon (yani Ayesha R.A.) aur Syeda Fatima R.A. ne bhi iss mohabbat ka iqrar kia ho (Sahih Bukhari:2581). Jis ke paas Allah k Nabi s.a.w. ne aakhri waqat tak rehna pasand kia ho. Jis Syeda Ayesha R.A ko farishton k serdaar Jibra'eel A.S. tak salam kerte hon (Sahih Bukhari:3768) Uss k motaliq toheen amez kalmaat ka kehna siref unhin ki nahin Nabi s.a.w. ki bhi tohaeen hai. Aap s.a.w. ke Ahlebait ki toheen hai. Nabi s.a.w. ke deen ki toheen hain. Jo hamesha se Yahood aur Yahood k perokaron ka maqsad raha hai.
bhai Allah ne kab gawahi di..aap shayed Surah Noor ki ayat ki baat ker rahay hain aur haar walay waqiya ki teraf ishara hai...to janab ab aap dekho k Surah Noor ki ayat ayesha ki sari gawahi k liye thi ya khaas uss waqiya k liye ?? janab woh ayat to sirf uss waqiya ki be-gunnahi k liye thi..ab aap 8 mukhtalif cases mein mujrim hain..aik mein court aap ko ba-iizat bari ker deti hai to kiya aap baki 7 se bhi bari ho jaein ge ?? nahi sirf uss case ka faisal judge ne sunaya hai jis ki baat ho rahi hai aur uss hukam ko sirf ussi case k liye use kiya ja sakta hai..issi terha ayesha haar k case mein be-gunnah thi lakin iss ka amtlab yeh nahi hai k aap uss ayat ko sari life k liye use karo aur dosri baat Surah Noor ki ayat thi character k liye jab k Surah Tahreem ki ayat utari emaan aur aqeeda k liye...hum ne character ki kabhi bhi baat nahi ki..hum to ayesha k emaan ki baat kertay hain janab kiun k emaan kharab ho to tab hi insan fitna bunta hai...aur meray bhai yeh apni books se mujhay ref. mat dein..kiun k debate k rules k khilaf hai jo baat aap ne mujhay samjhani hai shia books se ref. dein jaisa k mein aap ko samjhanay k liye sunni books se ref. de raha hoon...

4) Bait-Ullah main buton ki misaal bhi khoob di aap ne. Bait-Ullah k buton ko khud Allah k Rasool sa.w. ne apne haathon se tora tha aur unn ka khaatma ker dia tha. Yeh Naooz/billah kaisa ftna hai k Nabi s.a.w. jis se muhabbat ki gawahi de rahe hain. Jis ko Jibra'eel A.S. Salam Arz ker rahe hain. Jis ki pakeezgi per Quran gawah ban raha hai. Jis se Nabi s.a.w. ki mohabbat ka yeh aalim hai k aakhri waqt main bhi uss ki god main rahe aur unn se juda hona aik lamhe k liye bhi pasand na kia. Syeda Ayesha R.A ki fazeelat k liye aur koi baat na bhi hoti to siref yehi aakhri baat kaafi hai. :RA: Iss k khilaaf koi jo merzi bolta rahe uss ka apna naama amaal hi siah ho ga. Chaand per thookne se thook chaand per nahin apne moon per hi girta hai.
ghar kis ka tha Allah ka ya Rasool Allah saww ka ?? phir Allah ne kiun nahi toray buat ?? to jab Allah ne apnay ghar se fitna nahi khatam kiya aur Rasool Allah saww ne aa ker kiya ussi terha Rasool Allah saww k ghar mein jo fitna tha uss ko bhi woh khud kaisay khatam kertay ?? issi liye uss ko unn ki Ahle Bait a.s ne shikast di aur uss se muqabla kiya...
4) Iss k elawa aap ne Syeda Ayesha aur Syeda Hafsa R.A. per Munafiq hone ka jo buhtaan baandha hai uss main Allah aap ko poora poora badla de. (Soora Tehreem wala waqia sab k saamne hai k uss ka taluq mahez bivion ki apas main baahmi raqabat ka jazba tha jo fitri hai aur issi per Allah ne inn ko tanbeeh ki k tumhare dil aik galti per jhuke hain lahaza toba ker lo. Siref itni si baat ko munafiqat kehna intaha darje ki gustakhi hai.)
janab woh biwion ki larai nahi thi balkeh Allah k Rasool saww se gustakhi aur batameezi per Allah ne kaha k tum dono munafiq ho gaein ho...aur jab Allah ne zojaat ko kaha k apnay gharon mein bethi raho phir Allah ka hukam ki khilaf-werzi ker k woh maidan mein kaisay aa gaye ??

Aap se mujhe kuch nahin kehna. Siref baaqi logon se kehna chahoon ga k dekh lo inn logon ki zubanen kis qader daraz hai aur inn logon k dilon main Ahle-Bait, Ashaab-e-Rasool s.a.w. k motaliq kis qader bughez bhera hai.
pehlai baat to yeh hai k biwian Ahle Bait a.s mein shamil nahi hain...aur ashaab ko hum bhi mantay hain lakin aap kuch auron ko ashaab mein shamil ker detay hain...aap mein sahabi honay ka koi standard hi nahi hai...
Aakhir main aik baat mazeed yeh kehna chahoon ga k Syeda Ayesha R.A. ko tum logon ka manana ya na manana koi maani nahin rakhta jo log mojooda Quran ko hi na maante hon. Jin logon k nazdeek Imamon ka rutba Anbiya se afzal ho unn se iss baat ki umeed rakhna k Sahaba Ikram k moqam ko woh sahih maan lain sire se galat hai.
Lahaza aap se bhi guzarish hai k aap ko ager ache andaaz se guftagoo kerni hai to pehle bataie k mojooda Quran k motaliq aap ka kia aqeeda hai? Aur jo iss Quran ko tehreef'shuda mane uss ka hukam kia hai?
bhai sahab yeh Tahreef e Quran ka topic nahi hai...agar aap ne Tahreef per kisi ka aqeeda dekhna hai to aap tahreef k topic per meray jawab dekh saktay hain aur aap ki books se aap loagon ka tahreef ka aqeeda bh isabit hai jis ka proof mein de chuka hoon...

Umeed hai baat ko phelane ki bajae asooli baat kerte hue pehle iss sawal ka jawab anayet karen ge. Kion'k zahiiq hai koi buniad to honi chahiye jis per hamare aur aap k dermian ikhtilaaf ka faisla ho sake.
klis baat ka pooch rahay hain agar to Quran per aqeeda ki baat ker rahay hain to uss k liye alag se aik topic aap k bhai ne start kiya jis ka mein ne halksa sa jawab diya hai..aap perh lein umeed hai tasali ho jaye gi aap ko..

rushed
07-23-2008, 04:37 AM
Asslamoalikum 2 all muslims,

Mufti says: {janab urdu grammer mein nazdeek ki teraf ishara kerna ho to yahan use kiya jata hai aur doar ki teraf ishara kerna ho to wahan lafz use kiya jata hai.}
Mufti saheb kion logon ko bewaqoof bana rahe hain. Yeh koi fix rule nahin hai. Hamari aam bol chaal main bhi mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k kaha jata hai k yahan se sooraj (sun) nikle ga ya yahan se sooraj nikalta hai. Lahaza aap ka iss mann'gharat asool se istidlaal batil hai.

Mufti says: {janab Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya yahen hai fitna...}
Sahih Bukhari wali hadees main hergiz yeh lafaz nahin hain k yahan hai fitna. Yeh aap ka buhtaan hai aur Nabi s.a.w. k alfaaz main man'chaha matlab nikalne k liye man'chaha radd-o-badel.
Nabi s.a.w. ne fermaia idher se hi fitne niklen ge aur Ibn-e-Umer R.A ne ishare ki simet batai k Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf thi jo k mashriq ki taraf tha. Iss liye doosri rawaiaat main khud wazahet ker di k mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k fermaia tha. Aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. jaisa k main pehle bhi wazahet ker chukka hoon.

Mufti says: {agar to doar yeni iraq ki baat hoti to phir kehtay wahen hai fitna..wahen se fitna nikalay ga}
Main pehle bhi arz ker chukka hoon k yeh zaroori nahin hota k door k liye wahan k lafz istimaal kia jae. Bal'k jaise ham mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k kehte hain k yahan se sooraj nikle ga. Issi tarah Nabi s.a.w. ne mashriq ki simet ishara ker k fermaia idher se fitne niklen ge ya yahan se shetan ka seeng nikle ga. Nabi s.a.w. ne Sahih Bukhari ki hadees main hergiz kissi ka naam nahin lia. Ibn-e-Umer ne Syeda Ayesh R.A. k gher ki simet batai hai aur khud doosri rawaiaat main uss simet se muraad mashriq hi li hai. Lahaza jab khud Ibn-e-Umer ishare ki simet se mashriq aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq ka hona bata chukke hain phir aap ka man'maana istidlaal kaise sahih maana jae...?

Mufti says: {ab Rasool Allah saww ghar se bahir thay aur khud keh rahay thay k yahen hai fitna...iss ka amtlab jab aap ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker rahay thay to woh fitna ghar mein hi mojood tha}
Aap k yeh alfaaz hi iss baat ki daleel hain k aap k dil main siref bughez hai jo aap ko aise matlab nikalne per majboor ker raha hai. Main aap ko challenge kerta hoon k yeh baat uss hadees main se nikaal ker dikha dain k Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf ishara kia ho aur kaha ho k yahan hai fitna aur woh fitna ghar main mojood tha.
Bal'k abb aap khud dekhen k hadess k lafaz hain idher hi se fitne niklen ge. Jab aap k motabiq Syeda Ayesha R.A. gher main hi theen to keh dete k iss gher main hai fitna. Jab'k aisa nahin kaha iss ka matlab yeh k aap jhoot bhi bol rahe hain aur aap ka istidlaal bhi batil hai.
Aap grammer ki bhi bari baat kerte hain. khud dekhie k Nabi s.a.w. ne hadees main fermaia fitne yeh nahin kaha k fitna.

Mufti says: {agar iraq ki teraf fitna ki baat kertay to zaroor naam letay magar unhon ne kaha yahan fitna hai...yeh baat bhi aap ki kamzor nikali rushed sahab...}
Yeh baat to main aap ki pehle bhi jhoot saabit ker chukka hoon k Nabi s.a.w. ne yeh kaha ho k yahan fitna hai. Abb rahi Iraq k naam ki baat to jin Ibn-e-Umer R.A ne ishare ki simet Syeda Ayesha R.A. ka gher batai thi wohi Ibn-e-Umer R.A. uss simet ka matlab mashriq bian ker chukke hai aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. Aap iss istidlaal ho hergiz nahin tor sakte inshaAllah. Sawae issi tarah k Nabi s.a.w. aur hadees k alfaaz main man maani tehreefaat karen.
Doosra yeh k Nabi s.a.w. ka apna bian bhi mojood hai Iraq k motaliq k wahan fitne ublen ge aur shetan ka seeng namoodar ho ga.(hawala neeche mojood hai.)

Iss ke elawa aap ne jo Syeda Ayesha per man'gharrat ilzaam lagaen hain woh aap ka khubs-e-batin hai. Allah ne Syeda Ayesha ki be-gunahi Allah ne Quran main ziker ki hai. Woh Allah jo dunia k wakeel ya judges ki tarah nahin k uss k saamne aik maamla to ho doosra nahin.

Soorah tehreem ka jo pas-e-manzer hain uss main saaf mojood hai k Syeda Ayesha aur Syeda Hafsa ne Nabi s.a.w. ki mohabbat main iss baat ko na'pasand kia k aap doosri biwi k paas shahed khaen aur iss per yeh sara waqia pesh aaya aur Allah ne soorah tehreem ki tanbeehi Aayaat nazil kin. Iss saare maamle main emaan ki bahes kahan se aa gai. Tanbeehi Aayaat ager Syeda Ayesha R.A. aur Syeda Hafsa R.A. k motaliq mojood hain to aisi tanbeehi Aayaat khud Nabi s.a.w. k liye bhi mojood hain. Aur aap se kuch baeed nahin k aap log Nabi s.a.w. ke emaan per bhi bahes kero(naooz'billah). Allah dilon ko terha hone se mehfooz rakhe, Aameen.

Mufti says: {ghar kis ka tha Allah ka ya Rasool Allah saww ka ?? phir Allah ne kiun nahi toray buat ?? to jab Allah ne apnay ghar se fitna nahi khatam kiya aur Rasool Allah saww ne aa ker kiya ussi terha Rasool Allah saww k ghar mein jo fitna tha uss ko bhi woh khud kaisay khatam kertay ?? }
Wah kia khoob istidlaal hai. Kuch to sharam kero. Allah to her cheez ka khaaliq hai. woh kissi ko jawab'de nahin mager uss k aage sab jawab'de hain. Allah ham se hissab le ga. Ham Allah se hisaab nahin lain ge. Allah ne elania buton ka radd kia aur uss k lye apne Nabi s.a.w. ko maboos kia. Nabi s.a.w. ne to na kissi ka naam lia aur na kissi ko aise kissi fitne k liye muqarar kia. Uss k muqable main Nabi s.a.w. ka aakhri waqat tak Syeda Ayesha R.A. ka saath pasand kerna aisi haqeeqat hai k tum jaise logon k liye bohat bhaari hai. Aur tum jaise logon k tamam ilzamaat ka siref yehi jawab kaafi hai.

Mufti says: { Rasool saww se gustakhi aur batameezi per Allah ne kaha k tum dono munafiq ho gaein ho...}
Allah ki qasam yeh bohat barra jhoot hai Allah ne hergiz nahin kaha k tum donon munafiq ho gai ho. Allah ki laanat ho jhooton per. Aaj bhi Nabi s.a.w. ki qaber Syeda Ayesha R.A. k hujre main hona iss baat ki daleel hai tamam k tamam sahaba Ikram saath tamam Ahl-e-Bait k iss baat per motafiq the k Nabi s.a.w. ko Syeda Ayesha k hujre main hi dafan kia jae. Iss baat per kissi aik ne bhi yeh aitraaz na kia k naooz'billah aik munafiqa k gher Nabi s.a.w. ko kion dafan kia jae. Syedna Ali R.A. per yeh ilzaam k unhon ne aik munafiqa k gher (naooz'billah) Nabi s.a.w. ko dafan ker dia intahai darje ki gustaakhi hai. Allah ki laanat ho aise gustakhon per.

Mufti says: {pehlai baat to yeh hai k biwian Ahle Bait a.s mein shamil nahi hain}
Allah ne Quran main jo aayet naazil ki hai jis main Ahle-Bait ko gandgi se door rakhne ka faisla kia hai uss main khitaab hi Nabi s.a.w. ki bevion se hai aur kissi se nahin. Lahaza aap ka yeh kehna k bivian Ahl-e-Bait main shamil nahin Quran k sareeh khilaaf hai aur sawae din ko raat aur raat ko din saabit kerne k koi maani nahin rakhta.

Hamari baat kaafi phel chukki hai lahaza aap se guzarish hai k jo topic start kia gaya tha siref uss k motabiq hi aap k paas koi aur daleel ho to baat karen. Iss mozoo per main aap k kai jhoot aur man'maani tehreefaat saamne la chukka hoon. Lhaza baat ko idher udher le ker jaane ki bajae topic per hi rahen to behter ho ga. Iss k elawa main aap ki bila'daleel aur moon'phut baton ka jawab nahin doon ga.

Tehreef-e-Quran k topic per main ussi main baat keroon ga, InshaAllah.

mufti-e-azam
07-23-2008, 06:28 AM
Asslamoalikum 2 all muslims,


Mufti saheb kion logon ko bewaqoof bana rahe hain. Yeh koi fix rule nahin hai. Hamari aam bol chaal main bhi mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k kaha jata hai k yahan se sooraj (sun) nikle ga ya yahan se sooraj nikalta hai. Lahaza aap ka iss mann'gharat asool se istidlaal batil hai.

rushed sahab ab agar aap un-perh hon to iss ka matlab yeh nahi hai k hum sab ko hi un-perh bana dein...agar nazdeek aur doar mein koi farq hi nahi hai aap k khayal mein to yeh words yahan,wahan aur here & there language hain hi kiun...bhai sahab apni ghalat baat ko sahi kernay k liye aap to her haqeeqat ko jhutla rahay hain

Sahih Bukhari wali hadees main hergiz yeh lafaz nahin hain k yahan hai fitna. Yeh aap ka buhtaan hai aur Nabi s.a.w. k alfaaz main man'chaha matlab nikalne k liye man'chaha radd-o-badel.
Nabi s.a.w. ne fermaia idher se hi fitne niklen ge aur Ibn-e-Umer R.A ne ishare ki simet batai k Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf thi jo k mashriq ki taraf tha. Iss liye doosri rawaiaat main khud wazahet ker di k mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k fermaia. Aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. jaisa k main pehle bhi wazaher ker chukka hoon.
bhai sahab idhar nazdeek k liye use hota hai na ?? aur doar k liye udhar use hota hai..aur mein ne koi changing nhi ki scan page aap k samnay hai aap ki sahih bukhari ka aap hi batao k lafz yahen nahi hai kiya ?? aankhein bund ker lenay se haqeeqat to nahi chup sakti rushed sahab...deeth bun ker kisi baat se inkar kertay rehna alag baat hai lakin aap ki baaton se saaf lag raha hai k iss hadees ko maan aap bhi rahay ho k yeh ishara ussi hi teraf tha :))


Main pehle bhi arz ker chukka hoon k yeh zaroori nahin hota k door k liye wahan k lafz istimaal kia jae. Bal'k jaise ham mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k kehte hain k yahan se sooraj nikle ga. Issi tarah Nabi s.a.w. ne mashriq ki simet ishara ker k fermaia idher se fitne niklen ge ya yahan se shetan ka sseng nikle ga. Nabi s.a.w. ne Sahih Bukhari ki hadees main hergiz kissi ka naam nahin lia. Ibn-e-Umer ne Syeda Ayesh R.A. k gher ki simet batai hai aur khud doosri rawaiaat main uss simet se muraad mashriq hi li hai. Lahaza jab khud Ibn-e-Umer ishare ki simet se mashriq aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq ka hona bata chukke hain phir aap ka man'maana istidlaal kaise sahih maana jae...?
janab uss k liye mein ne dosri ayat bhi quote ki hai aap k liye ta k aap loag hamesha ki terha apni hi books ki ahadees se mukar na jaein...aur uss ayat se saaf zahir hota hai k yamen mein emaan hai aur madina mein jahan Rasool Allah saww uss waqt reh rahay thay wahan fitna aur unhon ne bata diya hai k madina mein kahan fitna hai yeni ayesha k ghar mein..

Aap k yeh alfaaz hi iss baat ki daleel hain k aap k dil main siref bughez hai jo aap ko aise matlab nikalne per majboor ker raha hai. Main aap ko challenge kerta hoon k yeh baat uss hadees main se nikaal ker dikha dain k Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf ishara kia ho aur kaha ho k yahan hai fitna aur woh fitna ghar main mojood tha.
Bal'k abb aap khud dekhen k hadess k lafaz hain idher hi se fitne niklen ge. Jab aap k motabiq Syeda Ayesha R.A. gher main hi theen to keh dete k iss gher main hai fitna. Jab'k aisa nahin kaha iss ka matlab yeh k aap jhoot bhi bol rahe hain aur aap ka istidlaal bhi batil hai.
Aap grammer ki bhi bari baat kerte hain. khud dekhie k Nabi s.a.w. ne hadees main fermaia fitne niklen ge yeh nahin kaha k fitna hai.
hahahaha rushed sahab aap pehlay iss hadees se bach to paaein phir challenge kerna janab...to janab uss baat se kiya matlab zahir hota hai ?? abhi aap keh rahay thay k jaisay hum kehtay hain k ishar hi se sooraj nikalta hai to mein kahon k aap ne shumal ki baat ki hai k wahan se sooraj nikalta hai agar aap ne mashriq ki teraf ishara kerna hota to keh detay k mashriq hi se sooraj nikalta hai..to aap kiya kaho ge ?? rushed sahab ab aap bachon ki terha fazool keeray mat nikalo..aap buri terha phans chukay ho iss hadees mein :)) aur aap ne aik aur jhoot bola k Rasool Allah :SAW: ne yeh nahi fermaya k Rasool Allah :SAW: ne yeh nahi fermaya k fitna hai..to janab jab aap ne hadees perhi hi nahi hai to kiun bewaqoofon ki terha khud bhi sharminda ho rahay hain aur apnay dosray bhaion ko bhi ker rhay hain :)) aik baar hadees phir perho..Rasool Allah :SAW: ne ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker k 3 baar femraya YAHEN FITNA HAI>>YAHEN FITNA HAI>>YAHEN FITNA HAI...aap pehlay perhein hadees ko achi terha phir debate karein...baghair perhay aap ne debate shuru ker di hai tabhi to her baat mein jhootay ho rahay hain aap...


Yeh baat to main aap ki pehle bhi jhoot saabit ker chukka hoon k Nabi s.a.w. ne yeh kaha ho k yahan fitna hai. Abb rahi Iraq k naam ki baat to jin Ibn-e-Umer R.A ne ishare ki simet Syeda Ayesha R.A. ka gher batai thi wohi Ibn-e-Umer R.A. uss simet ka matlab mashriq bian ker chukke hai aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. Aap iss istidlaal ho hergiz nahin tor sakte inshaAllah. Sawae issi tarah k Nabi s.a.w. aur hadees k alfaaz main man maani tehreefaat karen.
hahahahha MashAllah aap to mahan niklalay phir to..hadees perhi nahi aur baat meri jhooti ker di...ab aap dekho hadees ko aur phir batao k jhoota kon hai mein ya aap ?? aur hadees k alfaz mein tahreefat koi na ker sakta hai na kisi ne ki hai kiun k scan page sab k samnay hai..sirf aap hadees k alfaz se mukar ker ulta mujahy hi jhoota keh rhay hain k Rasool Allah :SAW: ne yeh nhi fermaya k yahen fitna hai..jab k hadees mein saaf likha hai k 3 baar aap ne aisa fermaya...rushed sahab thori aur mehnat karein apni ahadees se mukar janay ki...mukernay ki Allah aap ko mazeed taqat de..ameen :))

rushed
07-23-2008, 10:22 AM
Asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,

Hadees k dalael k saath tashreeh main ker chukka hoon aur ishare ka mafhoom bhi khud Ibn-e-Umer R.A. k alfaaz se saabit ker chukka hoon k iss se muraad mashriq thi aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. Lahaza hamen hadees ka munkir hone ki zaroorat nahin.

Masla to aap ko hai jo hadees k lafaz "fitne niklen ge" ko "fitna mojood tha" aur kabhi "fitna hai" se badal ker apna man' gharrat aur gustakhana matlab nikaal rahe the. Jis se aap k jhoot aur galat istidlal ki wazahet saamne aa chukki hai.

Bhaer'haal jo bhi hai sab k saamne aa chukka hai k Nabi s.a.w. ne sarahet k saath bhi Iraq ko hi fitne nikalne ka moqam bataia hai aur shetan k seeng namoodar hone ka moqam bhi. Sareeh ahadees k moqable main aap k jhoote, gustakhana aur man'gharrat istadlalaat kon sunta hai...?

Allah hadayat de aur hamare dilon ko Ahle-Bait aur Sahaba Ikraam ki sachi mohabbat se bher de, Aameen

ALIJAN1001
07-23-2008, 11:23 AM
sahih bukhari ki hadees hai k Rasool Allah :SAW: ne hazrat ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker k 3 baar fermaya yahen fitna hai..yahen se fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga...khan001,mohsin iqbal aur dosray users se mein request kerta hoon k woh iss topic per aa ker iss sahih hadees k baray mein bataein...


source: http://www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/hadith/horns-of-satan

Hadith About Aisha’s House and Satan’s Horns [A Sunni Perspective]

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Praise be to Allah for giving us this opportunity to defend the Prophet’s wife. Truly what an amazing honor this is. May Allah raise us up with those who defend the Ahlel Bayt, as opposed to those who slander the blessed Ahlel Bayt. As for those who slander and insult the Prophet’s own wives, we can only imagine the Prophet’s anger towards these erring people; indeed, not even the vilest and most debased Shia would tolerate someone insulting his own wife! It will be the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah that will forever guard the honor of our Beloved’s beloved.

Shia Slander Against the Mother of the Believers

Despite the fact that Umm al Mu’mineen Aisha is part of the blessed Ahlel Bayt, the Shia propagandists revile her; of the many slanders they utter against her, one of their favorites is to claim that the “horns of Satan” or the “head of Satan” would emerge from Aisha’s house. This is based on their horrible misinterpretation of Sunni Hadith which they then propagate amongst the ignorant ones amongst the Sunnis.

Let us read the false translations and even falser interpretations made by the Shia propaganda website, Al-Islam.org:

Al-Islam.org says
“ The Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) warned the Ummah against her on several occasions…

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 4.336
Narrated Abdullah:

The Prophet stood up and delivered a sermon, and pointed to the house of Aisha, and said: “Fitna (trouble/sedition) is right here,” saying three times, “from where the side of the Satan’s head comes out.”

In the above tradition the Prophet predicted the sedition which Aisha will bring for Muslims and that she will be seduced by Satan for instigating the first civil war in the history of Islam.

Muslim has also related in his Sahih from Ikrima Ibn Ammar from Salim from Ibn Umar who said:

“The Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) emerged from the house of Aisha and said. ‘The pivot of disbelief is from here, where the horns of Satan will rise.’”

Sunni reference: Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, the Chapter of Seditions, v4, p2229
source: http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/10.html”

A Similar Accusation Made By the Anti-Islam Orientalists

Unbeknownst to many Shia is the fact that this same Hadith is used by the Anti-Islam Orientalists (i.e. Non-Muslims) who seek to defile the good name of Prophet Muhammad. These Orientalists argue that the Prophet predicted that Satan’s horns would emerge from Aisha’s house, and then they are quick to mention that the Prophet himself was buried inside Aisha’s house! It is disconcerting how the Shia propagandists–in their overzealous attempts to slander the Ahlel Bayt (i.e. the Prophet’s wives)–have unwittingly allied themselves with Orientalists.

Indeed, if the Hadith in question is actually in reference to Aisha’s house, then nobody can deny that the Orientalists have rightfully pointed out that the Prophet was buried in that same house. If we take this interpretation, then we are led to the conclusion that Satan’s horn emerged from the Prophet himself; this claim has been made by the Christians for a very long time, whereby they argue that Prophet Muhammad was not sent by Allah but was rather one of Satan’s agents. The Christians argue that the Prophet was doomed by his own prophecy, in a similar fashion that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed of the Qadianis was doomed by his own prophecy. (Mirza Ghulam Ahmed had claimed to be a prophet after our Prophet Muhammad; he also prophecized that false prophets die from illnesses such as cholera. Ironically, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed himself died from cholera.)

Today, a very large mosque is built over Aisha’s house, known as al-Masjid al-Nabawi (the Prophet’s Mosque). Are the Shia implying that the Horn of Satan would emerge from the second holiest mosque of Islam? Do they say that the Horn of Satan would emerge from the Prophet’s Mosque (not “Aisha’s Mosque”)? The Shia are agreed upon the sanctity of the Prophet’s Mosque, and yet at the same time they dare to make accusations that this was the site from where Satan’s horns would emerge?

The Hadiths in Question

In fact, the Hadiths in question have nothing at all to do with Aisha, but rather the Prophet was simply pointing in the direction of the East towards Iraq (i.e. the Persian Empire at that time). An analogy of this is if a man asks which direction is Qiblah, and his friend points towards a certain house on the street. This simply means that Qiblah is in that direction. The Prophet did not at all mean that Aisha’s house would be the source of Satan’s horns, but rather he meant the East. In relation to where the Prophet was standing, Aisha’s house simply happened to be in the direction of the East.

Shia Chat Member says
“ This Hadith has been narrated in the Sahihayn, in both Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari.



Indeed. Now let us reproduce the Hadiths from both Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari. We read:

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6938:

Ibn Umar reported that he heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying while he had turned his face towards the East: “Behold, turmoil would appear from this side, from where the horns of Satan would appear.”

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6938 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6938)

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6939:

Ibn Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood by the door (of the apartment of) gafsa and, pointing towards the East, he said: “The turmoil would appear from this side, viz. where the horns of Satan would appear,” and he uttered these words twice or thrice; and Ubaidullah in his narration said: the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had been standing by the door of Aisha.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6939 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6939)

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6940:

Salim b. Abdullah reported on the authority of his father that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), while turning his face towards the East, said: “The turmoil would appear from this side; verily, the turmoil would appear from this side; verily, the turmoil would appear from this side–the side where appear the horns of Satan.”

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6940 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6940)

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6941:

Ibn Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) came out from the house of Aisha and said: “It would be from this side (pointing to the East) that there would appear the height of unbelief, viz. where appear the horns of Satan.”

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6941 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6941)

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6942:

Ibn Umar reported: I heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying while pointing his hands towards the East: “The turmoil would appear from this side; verily, the turmoil would appear from this side (he repeated it thrice) where appear the horns of Satan.”

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6942 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6942)

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6943:

Ibn Fudail reported on the authority of his father that he heard Salim b. Abdullah b. Umar as saying: O people of Iraq, how strange it is that you ask about the minor sins but commit major sins? I heard from my father Abdullah b. Umar, narrating that he heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying while pointing his hand towards the East: “Verily, the turmoil would come from this side, from where appear the horns of Satan and you would strike the necks of one another…”

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6943 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6943)

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 336:

Narrated Abdullah:

The Prophet stood up and delivered a sermon, and pointing towards Aisha’s house (i.e. Eastwards), he said thrice, “Affliction (will appear from) here,” and, “from where the side of the Satan’s head comes out (i.e. from the East).”

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... 8.sbt.html (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/088.sbt.html)

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 88, Number 212:

Narrated Salim’s father:

The Prophet stood up beside the pulpit (and pointed with his finger towards the East) and said, “Afflictions are there! Afflictions are there, from where the side of the head of Satan comes out,” or said, “..the side of the sun..” (i.e. the sun emerges from the East)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... 8.sbt.html (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/088.sbt.html)

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 88, Number 213:

Narrated Ibn Umar:

I heard Allah’s Apostle while he was facing the East, saying, “Verily! Afflictions are there, from where the side of the head of Satan comes out.”

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... 8.sbt.html (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/088.sbt.html)

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 88, Number 214:

Narrated Ibn Umar:

The Prophet said, “O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen.” The People said, “And also on our Najd (i.e. Iraq).” He said, “O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (North)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen (South).” The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle! And also on our Najd (i.e. Iraq).” I think the third time the Prophet said, “There (in the Najd, i.e. Iraq) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan.”

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... 8.sbt.html (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/088.sbt.html)

Iraq was at that time referred to by the Arabs as the Najd, as stated in “Najd Qarnu ash-Shaytan”. This has been stated by al-Khattabi, al-Kirmani, al-Ayni, an-Nawawi, Ibn Hajr and others. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajr said:

“Al-Khattabi said: ‘For the one who is in Medinah, then his Najd would be the desert of Iraq and its regions (baadiya al-Iraaq wa Nawaaheehaa) for this is to the East of the People of Medinah.”

This is made abundantly clear by the same narration recorded in alternate wording:

Al-Mu’jam al-Kabeer, Compiled by Imam Al-Tabarani:

Narrated by Ibn Abbas:

The Prophet supplicated and said, “O Allah bestow your blessings on our Shaam and Yemen.” A person from amongst the people said, “O Prophet of Allah, and Iraq?” He said, “Indeed there (in Iraq) is the Horn of Satan, and the trials and tribulations will come like mounting waves, and indeed harshness is in the East.”

“Pointed Towards”, Not “Pointed To”

It is Hadith Number 336 of Vol.4, Book 53 of Sahih Bukhari that the Shia propagandists rely on most, namely because the translator used by the USC website (Muhsin Khan) made a mistake in his translation. He translates it as “pointed to Aisha’s house” instead of “pointed towards Aisha’s house.” However, the proper translation is “pointed towards” and not “pointed to.” In the Arabic text of said Hadith, the words are “fa-ashaara nahwa (towards) maskani `a’ishah” and not “fa-ashaara ila (to) maskani `a’ishah”. Therefore, we see that the Prophet was simply pointing towards the direction of Aisha’s house, and not at Aisha’s house specifically.

The Persian Empire: Wherefrom Satan’s Horns Emerged

At that time in history, Iraq was part of the Persian Empire; the Prophet had dispatched an ambassador to the Persian Chosroes inviting him to Islam. The haughty Persian leader scoffed at the Prophet’s call, rejecting to accept the “lowly” Arab “barbarians” as spiritual leaders over and above the “mighty” Persians. Soon thereafter, the Muslim Ummah would be propelled into an all-out war with the the Persian Empire; Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab blitzed across Iraq and this is when the Fitnah began for the Muslims. The perceptive reader should keep in mind that before the fall of Persia, the Muslim Ummah was united under its Caliph and Dar al-Islam was expanding its borders. Right after the liberation of Iraq from Persian domination, the assassinations of Caliphs began.

The Muslims had indeed defeated the haughty and proud Persian Empire, but the Persians carefully planned their revenge. The Persian governor Harmuzan was pardoned by the Caliph, but he conspired against the Muslims to avenge his humiliating defeat. The conquered Persians plotted against the Muslims, and it was their conspiracy plans which no doubt the Prophet was referring to as “Satan’s horns”. It was from the ashes of the Persian Empire that the Shia sect was formed, a mix between Islam and Zoroastrianism as well as Persian nationalism.

The Persian governor Harmuzan became partners with Jafeena Al-Khalil and Saba bin Shamoon (whose son was Abdullah ibn Saba, founder of the Shia sect); these three men hired Feroz Abu Lulu, a Persian POW from Iraq, to assassinate Caliph Umar. Today, the modern day Persian Shia venerate Abu Lulu, and they call him “Baba Shuja-e-din” which can be translated as “Honored Defender of Religion.” These Shia have a shrine erected for this murderer, located in the Iranian city of Kashan called the Abu Lulu Mausoleum wherein he is buried. The Shia travel from far distances to pray inside this shrine, and many of the Shia fast on the day that Umar was killed, and even pass out sweets. Feroz Abu Lulu is one of the venerated founding figures of Shia ideology; the same people who conspired to kill Umar were the ones who planted the seeds of the Shia movement.

Abu Lulu was hired by three men, and the third of these three was the father of Abdullah ibn Saba, founder of the Shia faith. His intention in creating the Shia faith was to create a sect within Islam that would split its ranks, create disunity, and–quite frankly–to forever be a rebel movement against mainstream Islamic governments. And if we look throughout history, we find that the Shia have always been rebels and turncoats, one of the reasons they are referred to as “Rafidhis” (or turncoats). Not only they were turncoats, but these Shia were Ahl al-Bidah (People of Innovation) for they adultered Islam with their Magian beliefs. This was the Satan’s horn that emerged from the East, and no doubt this is what the Prophet was referring to.

Aisha Did Not Start the Fitnah

The Shia argue that it was Aisha who started the Fitnah in the ranks of the Muslims by organizing an army against Ali. But in fact, this is incorrect. First of all, Aisha did not leave her house with the intention of instigating an armed revolt against Ali. Instead, she left her house only with the intention of Islah (reformation). In Tareekh Al-Tabari, the events precipitating the Battle of the Camel are recorded. Al-Tabari narrates that a man asked Aisha why she had come to visit Ali, saying: “O mother, what moved you and pushed you to this country?” She answered: “O son, to reconcile between people.”

The word “Fitnah” refers to turmoil which causes disunity in the ranks of the Muslim Ummah. Even before the time of the Battle of Camel, the Muslim ranks had become split, so why should the Shia blame this on Aisha? The Fitnah began right after the Persians assassinated the Caliph of the Muslims, which pre-dated the Battle of the Camel. In fact, it was the murder of Umar ibn al-Khattab by the Persians that started the chain reaction which resulted in the Battle of the Camel. Ubaidallah, Umar’s son, avenged the murder of his father by plotting to kill the three men who hired the assassin Abu Lulu. Ubaidallah was successful in killing two of the three men, but the third–Saba bin Shamoon–survived, and he demanded that Ubaidallah be executed for his double murder. Caliph Uthman, however, showed Ubaidallah mercy, despite Ali who advised the Caliph to execute him for his crime of vigilante murder.

The fact that Uthman showed mercy upon Ubaidallah angered Saba bin Shamoon and his son, Abdullah ibn Saba. These two men looked sympathetically towards Ali, due to the fact that Ali had taken a harsh stance towards Ubaidallah’s actions. It was thus that Abdullah ibn Saba “converted” to Islam and founded the Shia sect, calling the masses to adore Ali and agitating them against Uthman. It was Abdullah ibn Saba’s propaganda against Uthman that helped fan the flames of civil discontent and caused the people to rise against the Caliph. And so it was that the Saba’ites (followers of Abdullah ibn Saba) assassinated Uthman.

This murder of Uthman led to the rise of Ali as Caliph; the people demanded of Ali that he apprehend the killers of Uthman and this was the cause of the Battle of Camel. The people were upset with Ali for failing to apprehend the killers of Uthman–who happened to be in his own party, but Ali chose to delay apprehending them due to the fact that he did not want to alienate his own supporters in this time of civil discontent when he needed them the most. So Ali decided to delay on apprehending the killers until after he consolidated his power as Caliph, but the people were threatening to revolt against and even kill Ali, who was even wrongfully implicated in the murder of Uthman. And so it was that some of the people appealed to the Prophet’s wife to go talk to the Caliph on their behalf. Aisha agreed to do this, only to prevent bloodshed and furnish Islah (reformation) between the ranks of the Muslims. Aisha was hopeful that she could convince Ali to find the killers and apprehend them posthaste.

When the Saba’ite killers of Uthman found out that Aisha was on her way to meet the Caliph in order to urge him to apprehend the assassins, this naturally made them antsy and fear for their lives. So it was they who attacked Aisha’s contingent and thus began the Battle of the Camel, a result of the chain reaction that began with the Persian murder of Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab. It was thus that the Persians were the cause of the Fitnah, and Aisha was innocent of that. Today, we find that the modern day Shia are soft towards the Persian conspirators but harsh towards the Mother of the Believers! The truth is that the Shia propagandists will be raised with those they love, and they will be raised up with the likes of the Persian Abu Lulu, whereas the Muslims will be raised with the blessed Ahlel Bayt including the Prophet’s wives. The Shia of today are the remnants of the Magian Persian Empire, and they are from where Satan’s horns emerged.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajar said:

“The People of the East were disbelievers at that time and the Messenger of Allah informed us that the trials and tribulations would arise from that direction and it was as he said. And the first of the trials that arose, arose from the direction of the East and they were the reason for the splitting of the Muslim ranks, and this is what Satan loves and delights in. Likewise the innovations appeared from that direction.” (Fath al-Bari 13/58)

Conclusion

The Prophet was not at all referring to his own wife. If that were the case, then nothing prevented him from simply pointing to his wife, instead of pointing towards Aisha’s house in the direction of the East. In fact, although this Hadith is abused by the Shia propagandists, in reality this same Hadith is a damnation of the Shia themselves for it was they who the Prophet was warning against us. May Allah save us from Shi’ism, the horn of Satan.

It is inconceivable that the Prophet of Islam would be buried at the spot wherefrom Satan’s horns emerged. May Allah bless the Prophet’s Ahlel Bayt including his wives, the Mother of the Believers.

Article Written By: Ibn al-Hashimi, http://www.ahlelbayt.com

mufti-e-azam
07-24-2008, 11:50 AM
Asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,

Hadees k dalael k saath tashreeh main ker chukka hoon aur ishare ka mafhoom bhi khud Ibn-e-Umer R.A. k alfaaz se saabit ker chukka hoon k iss se muraad mashriq thi aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. Lahaza hamen hadees ka munkir hone ki zaroorat nahin.
aap sabit karo k kisi bhi language mein here & there ya yahan aur wahan ka istemal nahi hota...rushed sahab aap jitna bhi bhaag lein aap iss baat ko sabit nahi ker saktay k ishara ayesha k ghar ki teraf nhi tha..
Masla to aap ko hai jo hadees k lafaz "fitne niklen ge" ko "fitna mojood tha" aur kabhi "fitna hai" se badal ker apna man' gharrat aur gustakhana matlab nikaal rahe the. Jis se aap k jhoot aur galat istidlal ki wazahet saamne aa chukki hai.

:)) aap shayed hadees perh ker zehnai tawazun kho chukay hain rushed sahab iss liye aap Hadees ko sahi se samajh hi nahi paye...Hadees ko dobara perhein..Rasool Allah :SAW: ne ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker k 3 dafa fermaya yahen fitna hai aur yahen se fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga...janab dono present aur future terms use hui hain..jab aap Ferma rhay thay uss waqt fitna ussi ghar mein tha magar woh fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha future mein nikalay ga..ab to aap k zehan mein baat ghuss gaye ho gi :))

Bhaer'haal jo bhi hai sab k saamne aa chukka hai k Nabi s.a.w. ne sarahet k saath bhi Iraq ko hi fitne nikalne ka moqam bataia hai aur shetan k seeng namoodar hone ka moqam bhi. Sareeh ahadees k moqable main aap k jhoote, gustakhana aur man'gharrat istadlalaat kon sunta hai...?
aap sabit karo k woh ishara iraq ki teraf tha jab k mein ne 2 ahadees se sabit kiya hai k ishara ayesha k ghar ki teraf tha aur woh fitna Madina mein tha na k iraq mein aur aap apnay molvion ki terha zubani hi apni baat ko sahi sabit kernay ki koshish ker rhay hain :)) himmat karo rushed sahab...
Allah hadayat de aur hamare dilon ko Ahle-Bait aur Sahaba Ikraam ki sachi mohabbat se bher de, Aameen
Ameen aur asli ftinon ko pehchananay ki aap ko taqat bhi de :))

mufti-e-azam
07-24-2008, 11:52 AM
Ali jan tum to aik fazool insan ho jis ko aqal use kerna na aati ho aur sirf copy paste kerna hi janta ho uss per mein time waste kerna mein apni tauheen samajhta hoon..jab tumhain aqal use kerna aa jaye to mujhay batana to mein tum se debate start ker lon ga...

rushed
07-24-2008, 12:32 PM
Asslamoalikum 2 all muslims,

Mufti says:{ishara ker k 3 dafa fermaya yahen fitna hai aur yahen se fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga}

Main neeche alfaaz hadees k laga raha hoon. Sab khud dekh sakte hain k alfaaz "fitna hai" k hain ya "fitne niklen ge" k. Hadees main saaf "fitna" lafaz ki bajae "fitne" ka lafaz hai aur "hai" ki bajae "niklen ge" ka. Mager iss k bawajood mufti sahib apni galat baat per arre hue hain k fitna uss waqat gher main mojood tha. Allah inhen hadayat de, Aameen

Mufti says: {janab dono present aur future terms use hui hain}

Neeche hadees k alfaaz tamam log dekh sakte hain k donon terms future ki use hui hain present ki aik bhi nahin. Pehli "fitne nilen ge" aur doosri "shetan ka sir namoo'dar ho ga". Mufti saheb musalsal jhoot pe jhoot bolte ja rahe hain. Siref baat itni hai k jo jhoot shuroo se le ker woh bol rahe hain uss ko manana mushkil ho raha hai.

Tamam parrhne walon se guzarish hai k iss poore topic ko shuroo se parrhen aur khud molahiza karen k mufti saheb bechare baat ko kis kis tarah ghuma ker oot-patang bolte rahe hain. Hamari bohat si baaten inn per jawab'de hain aur inn k paas unn ki aik bhi daleel nahin sawae bad'zubani k jo shia qom ka wateera hai.

mufti-e-azam
07-24-2008, 12:56 PM
Asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,

Sahih Bukhari ki hadees main Nabi s.a.w. ne kisi ka naam nahin lia. Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf ishara kerna Ibn-e-Umer R.A. k alfaaz hain. Ibn-e-Umer R.A. khud iss ki wazahet ker chukke hain k ishara kerna mashriq ki taraf tha. Mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq.
naam lenay ki zaroorat hi kiya thi ?? jab ishara ker diya jaisay kal hi aap ne misaal di thi k aap ishara karein k wahan se sooraj nikalta hai to koi kiya samjhay ga k shumal ki ya junoob ki baat ker raha hai kiun k iss ne naam to liya hi nahi ?? aur nazdeek k liye ishara ker dena hi kafi hota hai agar woh doar ka ishara kertay to zaroor kisi khaas jagah ka naam letay kiun k mashriq mein sirf iraq nahi tha iran bhi aata hai,turkey bhi aata hai aur bhi bohat si countries ki teraf ishara ho jata hai phir...aur waisay bhi lafz yahen use hua hai jo k nazdeek k liye use kiya gaya hai...to aap ki baat to bilkul hi be-buniyad ho jati hai meri dosri hadees se jab Aap ne kaha yahen fitna hai...


Main neeche alfaaz hadees k laga raha hoon. Sab khud dekh sakte hain k baat present ki ho rahi hai ya future ki. Mager iss k bawajood mufti sahib apni galat baat per arre hue hain k fitna uss waqat gher main mojood tha. Allah inhen hadayat de, Aameen
janab aap ne sirf aik Hadees se hi kiun quote kiya ?? jab k agar aap dosri hadees ko perhein to wahan Rasool Allah :SAW: present k liye fermaya hai k emaan yamen mein hai aur fitna yahan hai...to janab iss se sabit hota hai k fitna mojood tha jo shaitan kseeng ki terha future mein nikalay ga :))

Tamam parrhne walon se guzarish hai k iss poore topic ko shuroo se parrhen aur khud molahiza karen k mufti saheb bechare baat ko kis kis tarah ghuma ker oot-patang bolte rahe hain. Hamari bohat si baaten inn per jawab'de hain aur inn k paas unn ki aik bhi daleel nahin sawae bad'zubani k jo shia qom ka wateera hai.
Tamam Perhnay walon se emri bhi guzarish hai k waqai pooray topic ko perhein specially meri quote ki hui 2 sahih bukhari ki ahadees jis se saaf sabit hota hai k uss waq tfitna Madina mein mojood tha aur Aap ne ishara ayesha k ghar ki teraf k fitna k baray mein bataya...aur rushed sahab ki jhooti baaton aur topic se bhagnay ki na-kaam koshish bhi dekh lein k meri aik hadees quote ker k sab loagon ko bewaqoof samajh rhay hain...shayed unn ko pata nahi hai k kisi ko bhi bewaqoof nhi bunaya ja sakta jab k sab kuch unn ki aaknkhon k samnay hai aur iss ahadees mein present aur future terms use ki gaye hain aur ayesha k gha rhi ki teraf ishara tha tabhi nazdeek ka word yahan use kiya gaya :))

ALIJAN1001
07-25-2008, 07:29 AM
Ali jan tum to aik fazool insan ho jis ko aqal use kerna na aati ho aur sirf copy paste kerna hi janta ho uss per mein time waste kerna mein apni tauheen samajhta hoon..jab tumhain aqal use kerna aa jaye to mujhay batana to mein tum se debate start ker lon ga...


wo hasti ra jin ki ghod main rasool-e-ikram pbuh ka wisal hua our jis kay ghar per hujoor pbuh madfoon hain, us kay baray main shia kay najeba alfaj acha nahi lagtay.

in my post you may all of you anwer, but i think you english is not good.

:la:

mufti-e-azam
07-25-2008, 07:36 AM
wo hasti ra jin ki ghod main rasool-e-ikram pbuh ka wisal hua our jis kay ghar per hujoor pbuh madfoon hain, us kay baray main shia kay najeba alfaj acha nahi lagtay.

in my post you may all of you anwer, but i think you english is not good.

:la::)) english achi hona na hona koi meaning nahi rakhti bachay asla baat emaan ki hoti hai aur woh mera bohat acha hai...masla english ka nahi hai masla copy paste ka hai...Allah ne aqal copy paste k liye nahi di bachay..rushed sahab khud se jawab de rahay hain mein unn se debate ker rha hoon..tum ne bhi aaj himmat ker di to jawab de rha hoon...to janab jahan tak ayesha ka ghar hai to kiya Rasool Allah :SAW: ki wirasat aap mantay ho ?? agar mantay ho to Bibi Zehra :AS: ki wirasat kahan gaye aur agar nahi thi to phir ayesha ka ghar kaisay ho gaya ?? khair janab aap fuzool baatein choro aur jo topic hai uss per baat karo..hamra yeh topic nahi hai k woh kis ki goad mein foat huay etc..toic sirf yeh hai k ayesha fitna hai..bas issi topic per baat karein to acha hai...

ALIJAN1001
07-25-2008, 07:42 AM
wo hasti ra jin ki ghod main rasool-e-ikram pbuh ka wisal hua our jis kay ghar per hujoor pbuh madfoon hain, us kay baray main shia kay najeba alfaj acha nahi lagtay.

in my post you may all of you anwer, but i think you english is not good.

:la::)) english achi hona na hona koi meaning nahi rakhti bachay asla baat emaan ki hoti hai aur woh mera bohat acha hai...masla english ka nahi hai masla copy paste ka hai...Allah ne aqal copy paste k liye nahi di bachay..rushed sahab khud se jawab de rahay hain mein unn se debate ker rha hoon..tum ne bhi aaj himmat ker di to jawab de rha hoon...to janab jahan tak ayesha ka ghar hai to kiya Rasool Allah :SAW: ki wirasat aap mantay ho ?? agar mantay ho to Bibi Zehra :AS: ki wirasat kahan gaye aur agar nahi thi to phir ayesha ka ghar kaisay ho gaya ?? khair janab aap fuzool baatein choro aur jo topic hai uss per baat karo..hamra yeh topic nahi hai k woh kis ki goad mein foat huay etc..toic sirf yeh hai k ayesha fitna hai..bas issi topic per baat karein to acha hai...

again you misguiding people, you know how many wives of prophet ra live after wisal of prophet pbuh did any one claim that they need wirasat they are also haq of wirasat as per quran.
:la:

mufti-e-azam
07-25-2008, 07:56 AM
again you misguiding people, you know how many wives of prophet ra live after wisal of prophet pbuh did any one claim that they need wirasat they are also haq of wirasat as per quran.
:la:
rotay nahi hain Ali jan sahab aur Quran se sabit karo k Rasool Allah :SAW: ki wirasat nahi thi...tum iss topic per aao to sahi merti jaan phir dekho mein kis terha tumhari books se tumhari iss baat ko jhoota sabit kerta hoon..aur jahan tak baat hai betion ki to batao k Ayat e Kissa k waqiya k waqt woh betian kahan gaye thein ?? mubahilla k waqt kiun sath nahi gaein..unn k bachay kahan thay aur damaad kiun nahi gaye kiya woh sachay aur paak nahi thay..Ayaat k mutabiq :))

ALIJAN1001
07-25-2008, 09:12 AM
again you misguiding people, you know how many wives of prophet ra live after wisal of prophet pbuh did any one claim that they need wirasat they are also haq of wirasat as per quran.
:la:
rotay nahi hain Ali jan sahab aur Quran se sabit karo k Rasool Allah :SAW: ki wirasat nahi thi...tum iss topic per aao to sahi merti jaan phir dekho mein kis terha tumhari books se tumhari iss baat ko jhoota sabit kerta hoon..aur jahan tak baat hai betion ki to batao k Ayat e Kissa k waqiya k waqt woh betian kahan gaye thein ?? mubahilla k waqt kiun sath nahi gaein..unn k bachay kahan thay aur damaad kiun nahi gaye kiya woh sachay aur paak nahi thay..Ayaat k mutabiq :))


again foolish question, we all know that kay jab nabi :SAW: kay pass paisa ata to jab tak ghar taqseem nahi ho jata ghar nahi jaytay.

ayah -e- thateer is seprate issue speaks about wives of prophet :SAW: not family of ali ra.

ayah -e- mubahila is seprate issue speaks about hz. ali ra and his family.

hadies kisa is seprate issue where prophet :SAW: further defined that these additional member of ahlul bait.

ayah -e- baraat is seprate issue where allah disclosed innocent of hz. ayesha.
:la:

mufti-e-azam
07-25-2008, 06:20 PM
again foolish question, we all know that kay jab nabi :SAW: kay pass paisa ata to jab tak ghar taqseem nahi ho jata ghar nahi jaytay.

ayah -e- thateer is seprate issue speaks about wives of prophet :SAW: not family of ali ra.

ayah -e- mubahila is seprate issue speaks about hz. ali ra and his family.

hadies kisa is seprate issue where prophet :SAW: further defined that these additional member of ahlul bait.

ayah -e- baraat is seprate issue where allah disclosed innocent of hz. ayesha.
:la:
:)) mein wirasat ki baat ker rha hoon meri jaan k tottay...kiya Rasool Allah ki wirasat thi ya nahi bas iss ka pehlay jawab do mujhay phir idhar udhar ki bongioan marna...aur Hadees E Kissa aur mubahilla ki yahan baat hi nahi ho rhi..her topic ko mix mat karo..yeh topic hai k AYESHA FITNA HAI HADEES K MUTABIQ...bas issi per baat karo..baaki baatein dosray topics per karo...

ALIJAN1001
07-26-2008, 04:15 AM
:)) mein wirasat ki baat ker rha hoon meri jaan k tottay...kiya Rasool Allah ki wirasat thi ya nahi bas iss ka pehlay jawab do mujhay phir idhar udhar ki bongioan marna...aur Hadees E Kissa aur mubahilla ki yahan baat hi nahi ho rhi..her topic ko mix mat karo..yeh topic hai k AYESHA FITNA HAI HADEES K MUTABIQ...bas issi per baat karo..baaki baatein dosray topics per karo...[/quote]


read you previous post where you ask me about thouse events, also if prophet's :SAW: wirasat e exist why other members of prophet :SAW: did not claim whereas may wives of prophet :SAW: alive after wisal of prophet :SAW: .

even this is not wirasat thread.

mufti-e-azam
07-26-2008, 07:02 AM
read you previous post where you ask me about thouse events, also if prophet's :SAW: wirasat e exist why other members of prophet :SAW: did not claim whereas may wives of prophet :SAW: alive after wisal of prophet :SAW: .

even this is not wirasat thread.
hahahaha choti choti si baaton per ronay lag jata hai aik to tu...topic ayesha fitna hai tha tu ne kaha k ayesha k ghar mein woh dafan huay to jab Rasool Allah ki wirasat hi nah ithi to ayesha ka ghar kahan se aa gaya ?? dosri baat ab wirasat per zaleel honay k liye bhi a agaye ho to new topic start karo,wahan mein sabit karon ga k sab azwaaj ne wirasat mangi thi abu baakr se :)) khair yeh topic hai k ayesha fitna hai...iss per baat karo

ALIJAN1001
07-28-2008, 10:38 AM
hahahaha choti choti si baaton per ronay lag jata hai aik to tu...topic ayesha fitna hai tha tu ne kaha k ayesha k ghar mein woh dafan huay to jab Rasool Allah ki wirasat hi nah ithi to ayesha ka ghar kahan se aa gaya ?? dosri baat ab wirasat per zaleel honay k liye bhi a agaye ho to new topic start karo,wahan mein sabit karon ga k sab azwaaj ne wirasat mangi thi abu baakr se :)) khair yeh topic hai k ayesha fitna hai...iss per baat karo[/quote]


i have already answered such in my previous post.

hope clear now.

mufti-e-azam
07-28-2008, 03:45 PM
i have already answered such in my previous post.

hope clear now.
:)) tum ne abhi tak topic per baat hi kahan ki hai meray bachay ?? teri sahih bukhari se proof diya hai chal shabash agar himmat hai to ghalat sabit ker :))

ALIJAN1001
07-29-2008, 07:10 AM
i have already answered such in my previous post.

hope clear now.
:)) tum ne abhi tak topic per baat hi kahan ki hai meray bachay ?? teri sahih bukhari se proof diya hai chal shabash agar himmat hai to ghalat sabit ker :))


tum ko pharna hi nahi ata, har sawal ka jawab da diya hai.

awrathore
05-03-2010, 12:28 PM
mufti >>> sahi bukhari ki is hadith wale page ka scan to lagao yahan pe...konse baab mein hai, volume no. kya hai, hadith no. kya hai?

baniazkhan
05-04-2010, 05:13 AM
lage raho in hadees ki kitabo ko apny seeny se chimtaye, or larty raho aapas mae or apni apni marzi ki tashreeh bhi karty raho, lagta hai k aap logo se qyamat mae sawalat hi yahi hony hein, or aik saheb tou kehin ge k g mene poori koshish ki k Hazar Ayesha (R.A) ko fitna sabit karo (Astaghfurallah) or dosry bhai kehe ge g mene unki shan mae kio kami nahi hony di or bhool jao k Allah Quran mae hum musalmano per kon kon c zimadariyan dalta hai.

ohh Allah k bando, zra ye tou socho Nabi Pak (S.A.W) k sathiyo ki haq per hony ka Quran Gawah hai, or Quran Umhat-ul-momineen ko unki mothers kehta hai us k bawjood aap log sahaba karam per ilzam deti howee hadees ko sahi manty ho sirf is liye k wo Bukhari me mojood hai, or Bukhari ko bhi Sahi ka laqab Allah ne nahi balky us dor k ulmao nay hi dia hai, or wo bhi insan thy un se bhi ghalti ho sakti hai, wakt k sath sath insano k ilm barh raha hai or hum musalman un logo ko hi Authentic manty hein,

lage raho be-his ho chuky hen hum log,
or ab muje bhi ulti seedhi sunany shuru kar dena, mukare hadeess keh dena, kafir ya qadyani, ya yahoodi keh dena bhai muje kuch bhi kaho magar khuda k liye kabhi khud bhi samjo is Quran ko jisy Allah Pak aasan kehta hai bar bar, usi mae nasihat hai, wohi mukkamal or sahi kitab hai.
thanks.

huma
05-05-2010, 09:46 AM
sorry me yahan shia bhai se bohat sakht ikhtilaf rakhoon gi or sakhti se is bat per aeteraz karoon gi k unhon ne is hadees ko galat side per lejane ki koshish ki ha kisi bhi kitab ko is tara parhna jahilana way kehlata ha ye hadees bilkul sahi hadees ha jis tara nabi ko her mamle me wahi hoti rahi isi tara kuch wahi quran ka hissa nahi but musalmanon ke liyea hidayet or rahnumai ka zaria bator e hadees hame mila ha ye hadees bibi aisha ke ghar ki janib zaroor ha but un ki zat ki taraf nahi kiun hum sab musalman jante han k ye wahi ghar ha jahan rasool e khuda SAW or abu bakar or umar khalifa doim ki wahan tadfeen hoi ha or yehi wo jaga ha jahan imam hassan (a.s) ki tadfeen per masla khara hoa to janab ap khud dekh sakte han k aj se 14 so saloon se musalman is tadfeen ke masle per apas me bugz or nafraten rakhte han jo k islam me ik fitne ki tara perwan char raha ha ye wahi fitna ha jis ka nabi SAW ko bataya gaya or nabi SAW ne hame samjhaya ,me khud imam hassan ( a.s) ki tadfeen pe shion ka sawal ik thread ki soorat me yahan utha chuki hoon but us per ik lafz khud se bolne ki himat sirf isi liyea nahi kerr pai k kahin us fitne me shamoliat ma ho jai kiun k ye ikhtilaf hi mere khiyal me ik fitna ha jo seeng ki tara barha hoa ha but is me bibi aisha ki zat ko le ker ana k ishara un ki taraf tha ye nainsafi ha

baniazkhan
05-06-2010, 04:37 AM
Oh lo g Boht der ki mehrban aty aty
janab huma g, ap apny shia bhai se ikhtilaf rakhien ya na rakhien, magar muje ye tou bta den k kon c wo authority hai jis ki bunyad per aap is hadees ko sahi keh rahi hein, madam wese tou aap bary haq or such ki rat laga kar rakhti hein phir aaj ye kya rang dikha rahi hein, Allah Pak Quran Pak ko humare liye mukkaml hidayat kehta hai, bar bar is Quran ko "mukkamal" "asaan" kehta hai or aap keh rahi hein k doosri wahi Quran mae nahi magar hamare liye hidayat hai, wah g wah, ye ache rahee, shia ki wahi alag or sunnyo ki wahi alag, or aik or bat madam agar do kano k darmyan dimagh mojood hai tou zaroor sochna, agar ye hadees wahi hoti tou Nabi Pak (S.A.W) in ko bhi book ki shakal mae ya kisi bhi tareeqy se mehfooz zaroor karty.

SAMAJ MAE NAHI AATA
K
LOGO KI SAMJ MAE KYO NAHI AATA
THANKS

huma
05-06-2010, 05:03 AM
baniazkhan sahb ap se ziyada bahs to nahi karoon gi but itna sa zaroor clear ker doon gi k ap hadees ko ahmiyat diyea bager musalman nahi ho sakte bcoz ap ne note nahi shayed k quran me Allah ne haqooq ul ibad se mutaliq alif se ye tuk sab tafseel me biyan ker diya ha but ibadat ka zikar to ha but un ki tafseel or tareeqay wazia nahi kiyea wo pak zat jis ke qabza qudrat me sab cheezen ha wo ye bhi ker sakta tha but Allah ne apni ibadat ki tafseel na bata ke hum per ye wazia ker diya k in ke liyea hame rasool SAW ki taraf dekhna ho ga apni ibadat ka tazkire ko rasool SAW ke zikar se is tara jor diya k ap jese log yahi kehte rah jate ha jain to jain kahan muje ap ki samajh nahi ati k ap rasool SAW ki biyan kerda ahadees se inkar ker ke kia sabit kerna chahte han

baniazkhan
05-06-2010, 05:29 AM
madam g, please jo bat ho rahi hai us per bat karien, or aap nay ab fatwa bhi dena shuroo kar dia mene kab Nabi Pak (S.A.W) ki hadeeso se inkar kia hai, or aap ne meri is post se kese ye matlab liya k mae hadeeso se inkar karta hoon, is tarha tou shia hazrat bhi un hadeeso ka inkar karty hein jo sunnyo ki hadeeso ki books mae mojood hein, wo gunah gar nahi or madam jo aap ebadat wali kahani le kar ayee hein ye bhi khoob hai hansi tou boht a rahi hai magar bardasht kar k jawab dena hi pare ga, gaon mae hal chalata howa aik kisan jis nae kabhi hadees ki koi kitab nahi parhi kya wo namaz nahi parhta, kya wo ebadat nahi karta, yaqeenan karta hai or jis tarha wo ebadt karta hai, yani ye ebadat aik silsila hai na rukny wala is k liye hadees ki koi zaroorat nahi balky ab aap khud hi bata do mae aap ki khidmat mae kis janab se arz karoon, k agar hadeeso se ebadat ka tareeka milta hai tou phir in tareeko mae etna ekhtilaf kyo, yahan bat boht door tak jati hai madam aap hadeeso ko wahi keh rahi hein ko wahi mae etna shadeed ikhtilaf yani aik firqa wahi per amal kar raha hai or doora usy kafir keh raha hai.

khair aap ka kya kehna aap tou kehti ho dunya ko hai abhi aik MEHDI ki zaroorat, or madad mangti ho ghair Allah se, tumhari samaj mae abhi tak ye choti choti batien nahi a sakeen meri batien kya khak samjo gi.
thanks

awrathore
05-06-2010, 09:29 AM
jab tum dono ne manna hi nahi aur apne apne point of views per hi are rehna hai to lar q rahe ho?

jis shakhs ne fitna phelana tha woh to phela k chala gaya aur jis ne difa karna tha us ne bhi apna kam kar diya to tum ab q ek doosre ki pagriyan uchaal rahe ho, bas b kar do.

kher ek cheez yahan pe clear kardoon...asal bat hai amma aisha :RA: ki pak aur mutahhir zaat ka difa karna, woh agar hum nahi karein ge to kon kare ga!!!!

haq janne k liye sirf ek survey karlo k tamam jamaton ka mojooda dor mein amal kya hai? kaheen quran aur sunnat k khilaf to nahi?

haq janna mushkil nahi, sirf ankhon se ana ki patti hatane ki dair hai.

mod se request karta hoon k jab bat khatam ho chuki to phir is thread ko close kardein.

baniazkhan
05-07-2010, 04:36 AM
bhai awrathore sahab zara hadees ki books utha kar dekhian, phr soch kar faisala karin k humare Islaf, ya buzar gan-e-deen, jinho ne in hadeeso ko jama kia unho ne Umhat-ul-momineen ki shan mae kia kia gustakhiyan ki hein.

behar hal, your point of view is good.
thanks

awrathore
05-07-2010, 10:58 AM
sab se pehle to ek baat samjho...muhaditheen ka kam hadith jama karna tha bas. agar ap ko etiraz hai k hadith sahi nahi to ap na mano, koi ap ki gardan nahi pakre ga lekin tamam hadithon ka inkar karna to ghalat ho jaye ga, waise jahan quran aur hadith apas mein takraayein to wahan quran ko muqaddam rakhna hi humara imaan hona chahiye aur quran ne ummahat-ul-momineen (r.a.) ki izzat aur pak damani ki gawahi di hai. problem solved, ab agar koi bhonkta hai to bhonkne do.

Shahzad Sultan
05-08-2010, 09:37 AM
i agree with you

baniazkhan
05-10-2010, 05:29 AM
chalo koi aik musalman tou aisa mila jo Quran k agay kisi bhi hadees ka inkar kar sakta hai,
well said,

thanks

mohsin iqbal
05-10-2010, 06:40 AM
bhai awrathore sahab zara hadees ki books utha kar dekhian, phr soch kar faisala karin k humare Islaf, ya buzar gan-e-deen, jinho ne in hadeeso ko jama kia unho ne Umhat-ul-momineen ki shan mae kia kia gustakhiyan ki hein.


salam to all muslims.

janab baniaz khan sahib aap ki baat perh k bahut hairani hoi.

aap ne kaha k mohadisen aor aslaaf ne umhat-ul-momineen(rs) ki shaan mien guztakhiyan ki hain to sab se ajeb baat e lagti hay k jo azwaj-e-nabi(saw) ki gustakhi kary wo to muslim hi nien hay aor muhadiseeen ki gustakhiyan jo k aap ne nazdeek unhun ne ki hain un k baad bhi wo muslim aor aap k aslaaf hain?

aap zara bateyn ge k kis muhadiss ne azwaaj-e-nabi(saw) k bary mien kiya gustakhi ki hay?

aor agar gustkahi ki hay to un ki hadees ki books ka kiya aietbaar rahy ga?

baniazkhan
05-11-2010, 04:52 AM
janab mohsin saheb, SAHA SATTA mae se koi c bhi books utha kar dekh lein k, aap ko boht c hadees aesi mil jaye gee, or bahi mene kab kaha hai k mae un islaf ko manta hoon, aap k dada ya par dada achay insan hon ya bury rahe ge app k buzrug, bilkul isi tarha hamare ye islaf achay thy ya bury, unho ny acha kya ya bura un ka wo amal un k liye hai Quran kehta hai k tum se poocha hi nahi jaye ga k tumahre buzurgo ne ye kyo kiya tum se sirf tumhare amal k bary mae poocha jaye ga,

aap ki tarha bilkul mae bhi ye he manta hoon k NABI Pak (S.A.W) k tmam sahaba karam or umhat-ul-momineen jin k haq per hony ki Quran gawahi deta hai bilkul masoom hein or umhat-ul-momineen musalmano ki mothers hein,

mae sahi or ghalti se pak kitab sirf Quran ko manta hoon, ab ko BUKHARI KO SAHI BUKHARI KAHE YA BILKUL SAHI BUKHARI mae nae man sakta, kyo k wo aik insani tehreer hai jis mae behar hal ghalti ki gunjaish rehti hai, aap se sirf itni guzarish hai k jo bat mae nai manta muj per aesa ilzam mat lagaien,

jahan tak aap k akhri sawal ki bat hai, tou ye kam aap ko khud karna pre ga, aap hadees ki books ko read karna shuru kaein, agar aap ko us mae koi wrong hadees milti hai tou usy mat man-na or agar nahi milti tou nahi man-na meri bat man-ny ki koi zaroorat nahi,

thanks,

awrathore
05-11-2010, 08:22 AM
baniaz sahab >>> ap ne meri bat ko ghalat samjha hai, mein abhi itna bara nahi hogaya k ahadith per jarah karne lagoon aur shayad itna bara ho b nahi sakta...jarah karne k liye jin uloom k seekhne ki zaroorat hai woh to hum mein se kisi ne seekhe tak nahi, humein asma-ur-rijaal kya arbi ki sarf aur nahv tak nahi ati hum kaise jarah kar sakte hein, humein to yeh tak nahi pata k arbi zabaan k lehje kitne hein aur ahadith mein muhawre istamal huwe hein ya nahi...yehi hum mein kami hai.

bas jin cheezon per imaan hona zaroori hai us per imaan rakhta hoon aur apne ulema-e-karam per trust karta hoon. quran ahadith per humesha se muqaddam raha hai aur humesha rahe ga jise mein ne apni pichhli post mein wazeh kar diya tha. raha sawal ahadith ka to jo ahadith quran se takrati hein un per ulema-e-karam jarah karte rahe hein aur karte rahein ge. un ka kaam unhein karne dein aur hum apna kaam karein yehi humare haq mein behtar hai.

meri baton ka bilkul b bura mat maniye ga, mein ne ap ko apni raaye se aagah kiya hai, ho sakta hai k meri raaye se ap ko ikhtilaf ho...agar koi baat buri lagi to mein us k liye mu'azrat khua hoon.

Shahzad Sultan
05-11-2010, 09:50 AM
Allah hum sab ko isi tarah narmi say apna point of view batanay ki taufeeq ata farmain - ameen

mohsin iqbal
05-11-2010, 11:20 AM
janab mohsin saheb, SAHA SATTA mae se koi c bhi books utha kar dekh lein k, aap ko boht c hadees aesi mil jaye gee, or bahi mene kab kaha hai k mae un islaf ko manta hoon,


salam to all muslims

janab agar sahaye sittah mien aysi ahadees hain jin mien sahabha karam aor azwaj-e-nabi(saw) ki gustakhi ki gayi hay to sahah-e-sittah likhny waly mohaidseen k baary mien aap ki kiya raaye ho gi?

aap ne ab khud maan liya k saha-e-sittah likhny waly aap k aslaaf nien hain to aap k aslaaf koun se hain ?

aor aap jin logun ko aslaaf maanty hain unhun ne kiya saha-e-sittah ki en ahadees ko ummat k samny pesh kiya jin mien gustakhiyan hain?

jo log saha-e-sittah ko sahi manty hain aor en ki ahadees ko bhi to un k baary mein kiya khayaal hay aap ka?

aap k dada ya par dada achay insan hon ya bury rahe ge app k buzrug, bilkul isi tarha hamare ye islaf achay thy ya bury, unho ny acha kya ya bura un ka wo amal un k liye hai Quran kehta hai k tum se poocha hi nahi jaye ga k tumahre buzurgo ne ye kyo kiya tum se sirf tumhare amal k bary mae poocha jaye ga,

aap ki tarha bilkul mae bhi ye he manta hoon k NABI Pak (S.A.W) k tmam sahaba karam or umhat-ul-momineen jin k haq per hony ki Quran gawahi deta hai bilkul masoom hein or umhat-ul-momineen musalmano ki mothers hein,
janab ye to aap ane munkareen-e-ahadees wwali baat ker di hay.
jab un ko kaha jata hay k aap ne apni kitabun mein ye likha hay to wo kehty hain k hum se en k baary mein sawal nien kiya jaye ga wo apny amaal k khud zimadaar hain.

agar aap ki ye baat maan li jaye to aap qadyanio ko kafir kyun kehty hain? wo bhi apny amaal k khud zimadaar hain?
shia bhi apny amaal k khud zimadaar hain aor deobandi bhi khud zimadaar hain to en pe itraaz kyun?

aik hindu aor christion bhi apny amaal k khud zimadaar hai to un ko dawat deny ka kiya faida aap se un k baary mein sawal nien kiya jaye ga?

aor en saha-e-sittah k akabreen aor aslaaf bhi khud zimadaar hain to aap ko kiya haq pahunchta hay k aap en akabreen aor mohadseeen ko kahin k unhun ne apni books mie gustakhiyn ki hain?

aap ki es baat ko liya jaye to aap en aslaaf pe jirah kerny aor tanqeed keny ka koi haq nien rukhty to aap kyun tanqeeed kar rahy hain?

aor en ahadees k raawi bhi sahabah karaam(rs) hain to aap aik taraf to kehty hain k aap sab sahabh aor azwaaj(rs) ko haq maanty hain aor aik taraf aap ka itraaz en ashaab(rs) pe bhi jaye ga k unhun ne aysi ahadees rewayat ker di?

aap ne kaha k mujhy khud aysi ahadees dekhni parin gi to mien aap se sirf ye pouchta hun k mujjhy ya aap ko ya ksi aor muslim ko jo k arbi bhi nein jaanta aor na hi fan-e-rijaal janta hay os ko kiya haq hay k wo ahadees ko dhondy jo quran se takraati hain?

aap ne ahadees ko parkhny ka ye miyaar kahan se liya hay k jo hadees quran k khilaf ho os ko na mano?
kiya aap k es amal k aap k pass koi daleel hay?
ho sakta hay k aap es hadees ko samjh hi na saky hun?
ap ko es hadees k samjny mien ghalti hoi ho?
ya aap se quran ka tarjuma ghalat ho giya ho?
aap jo quuran ka tarjuma perhin ge wo ksi aalim ya mufasir ka likha ho ga os se ghalti hoi ho?

aap ne mujhy kaha k aap dhoundo to aap ko saha-e-sittah mien aysi ahadees nazaar ayi hain jin mein gustakhiyan hayn to aap yahan kyun nein bataty ta k aor logun ko bhi pata chaly k saha-e-sittah k akabreen ne kiya kiya likha hay?

chalo sirf bukhari shareef se koi hadees bata dain ta k mujhy bhi pata chaly k bukharii mie bhi aysi ahadees hain jin main gustakhiyan hain.


aap yahan hadees bata dain to masla hi hal ho jaye lakin shayed aap ko khud apni baat pe yaqeeen nein ya aap ko khud pe itemaad nien esi lliye aap bata nien rahy.

Shahzad Sultan
05-11-2010, 11:32 AM
Jazak Allah

sahj
05-27-2010, 07:03 PM
السلام علیکم میرے مسلمان بھائیو

انتہائی ادب اور احترام کے ساتھ آپ مسلمان بھائیوں سے درخواست کرتا ھوں کہ ان شیعہ کمینے رافضیوں اور لعنتی جانوروں سے بھی بدتر مخلوق سے کبھی بھی ان کے کسی بھی اعتراض یا ان کے عقیدے کی سچائی کی دلیل نہ مانگیں،
کیونکہ یہ شیعہ رافضی لعنتی نہ قرآن عظیم پر ایمان رکھتے ہیں اور نہ ہی ان کا کلمہ اسلامی ھے ، یہ لعنتی جانور اسلامی فرقہ ہیں ہی نہیں ، ایک الگ شیطانی مزہب ھے،

اسلئے آپ مسلمان مومنوں سے درخواست ھے میری کہ ان لعنتی رافضیوں کو اس فورم سے کک آؤٹ کر کے ان کے نجس وجود سے اس اہل سنت و الجماعت فورم کو پاک کردیں،

شکریہ

والسلام

baniazkhan
05-28-2010, 05:23 AM
Reply for Mohsin Iqbal:
aap ka pehla sawal: (janab agar sahaye sittah mien aysi ahadees hain jin mien sahabha karam aor azwaj-e-nabi(saw) ki gustakhi ki gayi hay to sahah-e-sittah likhny waly mohaidseen k baary mien aap ki kiya raaye ho gi?)

janab aap k is sawal k jawab mae me sirf itna keh sakta hoon, k agar waqaee ye ahadess ki books mae hadees unho ne hi likhi hein tou un logo ne musalman ulmao k roop mae deen islam ko na qabil-e-tlafi nuqsan pohnchya hai, or agar aesi wrong riwayat un k baad un ki tehreer mae shamil ki gayee hen tou phr un ka kia qasoor hai? agar aap meri pichli post per ghor karein tou mae ne un writers k bary me koi comments ni diye, meri apni zati raye ye hai k aesi wrong riwayat k writer, rawi, koi bhi ho mae us ki bat nahi man sakta. mere dost aap ne meri bato ko jo rang diya hai muje afsos hai k mera aesa koi matlab nahi tha.

aap k 2nd question: (aap ne ab khud maan liya k saha-e-sittah likhny waly aap k aslaaf nien hain to aap k aslaaf koun se hain ?)
bhai mene ye kab kaha hai k wo mere islaf nahi hen, bal k mene "dad or par dada" ki misal de kar ye bataya hai k mae mano ya na mao wo humhare aslaf rahe ge, mae tou sirf ye kehta hoon k agar unki tehreero mae ghalti hai tou us ko na mano or agar zyada hi un se aqeedat hai, to mae sirf ye keh sakta hoon k aesi wrong bat us ki tarf mansoob ki gayee hai.

aap k 3rd questin: (aor aap jin logun ko aslaaf maanty hain unhun ne kiya saha-e-sittah ki en ahadees ko ummat k samny pesh kiya jin mien gustakhiyan hain?)

han humare boht se ulma karam aesy guzry hein jinho ne aesi hadeeso ko ummat k samny pesh kiya magar humare hi nam nihad molviyo ne un per kufer k or mukare hadees k fatway laga kar ya tou un ko mar diya ya phir unko fita qrar de kar aik new jhagre ki bunyad bana dali.

4th question: (jo log saha-e-sittah ko sahi manty hain aor en ki ahadees ko bhi to un k baary mein kiya khayaal hay aap ka?)

un k bary me sirf ye kaho ga k sahi kitab sir Quran Pak hai or insani likhi hoee tehreer mae behar hal ghalti ki gunjaish baqi rehti hai agay aap khud samjdar ho.


5th question: (agar aap ki ye baat maan li jaye to aap qadyanio ko kafir kyun kehty hain? wo bhi apny amaal k khud zimadaar hain?)

bhai is sawal ka ko taluq tou ni banta magar phir bhi jwab de deta hoon, mene kisi hadees k writer ko kafir tou nahi kaha, or jahan tak bat hai qadyanio ki tou bhai zra kabhi time mily tou un ka bhi litreture read karna, wo Nabi Pak ko Allah ka akhri nabi manty hein magar WAHI ka ana Mr. Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani per bhi manty hien or shayed ye aap ki knowledge mae izafa hoga k un k hadi yani Mr. Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani per teen zabano mae wahi aye hai (English, Urdu, and Arabic) ab aap khud soch lo k kya ye aqeeda Quran k khilaf nahi hai? or jo aap ny end mae kaha k wo apny amal k khud zimadar hein tou bilkul yahi bat hai, aap se thori poocha jaye ga k wo ye amal karty thy tou kyo karty thy, mere khayl mae sawal tou ye hoga k jab Quran moojood tha, Allah ka kalam moojod tha us k hoty hoe kis ghair masoom insan ki bat ko qayamat tak k liye authentic kese man liya jesy hamari hadees or fiqa ki books, jin ulmao k bary mae humara ye eman hai k Quran ko jitna samjna tha in logo ne samj liya jitni hidayat leni thi in logo ne le kar jo tashreeh kar di ab hum pr lazim hai k un k likhy howe ki perwi karen.

us k bad aap ne shia, deobandi, christin or hindu k bary mae taqreeban same sawal kiye hein,
tou bhai mae dawat deny se kab inkar karta hoon mae tou khud aap logo ko Quran ki dawat deta hoon, Allah Quran Pak mae farmata Tumhara kam sirf dawat dena hai.
aap ne meri bato se ye matlab kese nikaly mae nahi janta, magar mae dawat deny se inkar nahi karta or na hi meri kisi bat ka aesa matlab nikalta hai, han magar mae ye zaroor kahoo ga k pehly apni or apny khadan ki islah tou Quran k mutabiq kar ki jaye ta k kisi ko dawat dene k maza tou aye, aaj aap kisi ko dawat de kar musalman banaien tou wo us firqy k musalman bany ga jis firqy waly ne usy dawat di hogi, kya kabhi koi deobandi kisi ghir muslim ko dawat islam de kar brelvi banwary ga, or sab se bari bat yahan har firqy wala doosry ko kafir kehta hai.

us k bad aap ne kaha k muje koi haq nahi k mae saha satta k writers per tanqeed karoon, tou janab mene tanqeed un par nahi un ki books mae likhi hoee hadees par ki hai, agar aap ka israr hai k wo wrong hadees un ho ne hi likhi hein tou phir jo shakhs bhi islam ko nuqsan pohnchye wo mere liye qabl-e-ahtram nahi hoskta, or in hadeeso par tanqeed karny ki aik waja or bhi hai wo ye k aaj k muslamano ny in ko apna dastoor banaya howa hai or Quran ko sirf Qasm, Dam Darood, ya Jahez mae beti ko deny k liye rakha howa hai.

us k bad aap ne kaha hai k in hadeeso k ravi bhi sahaba karam hein tou bhai jin shaba karam ki gawahi Quran de de me kesy man loon k aesi hadeeso k ravi wo sahaba karam ho sakty hein, or bhai zra ye bhi tou socho jab aesi khilaf Quran hadees creat ki ja rahi hon gi tou lazmi aesi shakhsiye se mansoob ki jati hon gi k koi inkar na kar saky, magar wo log shayad janty na thy k agat zaman boht traqqi kary ga log chand tak pohnch jaye ge,
thanks

Ahnaf Defender
05-28-2010, 10:31 AM
Asslam-o-Alaikum,

baniazkhan sahab aap ka lia Munkir-e-Hadeeth ka naam se aik alag section bania gia hai. istrah ki baata waha per kia kera. yaha per sirf shia sunni ikhtilaaf per baat hogi. baqi sab members se bhi guzarish hai , ka yaha per koi aur baat na kera.

paki boy
07-01-2010, 06:56 AM
SO CALLED mufti-e-azam app ki post se andaza hora hay kay app bohot hee jahil insan hoo........ waisay app ko insan may shumar karkay may ne kuch ziti ki hay lakin insano may app ko es liay shamil karlia kay app bhi insanoo jisay lagtay hoo gay esi liay internet use karrahay hoo...waisay maray pass ya es chiz ki knowlege nahi kay janwar bhi internet use karrahay hay ajj kal es liay filal app ko insano may shumar karrah hooo ......... app ne bukhari ki aik hadees quote ki hay jab kay app logo ka akeda hay kay bukhari sahi kitab nahi hay agar musalman bukhari ki hadeeso se Amma Hazrat Ayesha r.a. or Sahaba karam r.a. ki SHAAN may kuch quote kartay hay tu app logo ko nagawar guzarta hay orr khaitay hoo kay hum bukhari ko nahi mantay or abb khud aik hadees bukhari se lakar yaha debate karnay k liay baith giay hoo........ ya munafikhat kion ?????????

SO CALLED mufti e azam phalay app mari above post ka jawab day... daikhtay hain app abb kia chal chalnay walay hain.